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• Success Rate Methodology (10 posts)

• Alan Taws said 7 months ago:

  Just wondering if anyone can advise on a specific scenario in relation to success rate calculations for LR provision – specifically for Foundation Learning with a non college provider. With us having roll on roll off style enrolments it's common for a qualification to have an actual leave date falling after the intended leave year – possibly several months after the intended completion year end and therefore the result may not be recorded until after the LR05 data is finally submitted.

  If this were ER provision then the qualifcation would simply be counted in the following year's success rates but it seems with LR that a qualifcations result must fall in the planned end year or it doesn't get counted??? or, as some guidance seems to suggest, the qualifcation is included in the intended years success rates but as a fail even though the learner may have actually passed albeit in the year after intended?

• Caspar Verney said 7 months ago:

  I do not know the answer to this unfortunately, but I would also like to be illuminated about success rates, please.

  As I understand it for ER provision if the Actual End Date is after the Planned End Date then that has a negative impact (even if the reason is outside the College's control). The majority of the Planned End Dates for the College I work with is 31st July and hence any overspill would go into the subsequent academic year. Can anyone provide any authoritative answers, please?

  Alan – have you asked this question of the Data Service Service Desk?

  Many thanks,
  Caspar

• Alan Taws said 6 months, 4 weeks ago:

  I haven't asked the Data Service Desk – they're very busy at the moment and will almost certainly tell me to read the guidance

  We have planned end dates falling right across the year – I need clarification of the following example..

  A Foundation Learning aim (LR) has planned end date of 20th June 2011. The learner, due to various problems, programme breaks etc completes and passes on 27th December 2011. How is this counted, what year and is it a success?

• martinwest said 6 months, 4 weeks ago:

  Alan,
  The learner would be in the cohort year 10/11 (by planned end date) and would be counted as continuing until the completion was updated in 11/12. The 10/11 cohort success rate will then be updated to reflect the achievement even though it is an in year achievement in 11/12 it would not be reflected in the 11/12 cohort success rate. If a learner achieves it is always reflected in the success rate for their cohort but this only applies to overall success as timely success has to be achieved within (90 days I think) of the original planned end date.

  Hope this helps

• Matt H said 6 months, 3 weeks ago:

  Hi Martin, thats using the ER QSR methodology isnt it. Is there anything published to say LR – Foundation Learning is treated like this?

• martinwest said 6 months, 3 weeks ago:

  Hi Matt,
  For LR any such learners could be carried over to the next academic year and irrespective of their planned end date would be counted in the success rate for the year in which the actual end date falls.
  It is a bit simpler for LR

• Alan Taws said 6 months ago:

  Still confused. What I do know for sure is that for ER Overall success is counted by the later occuring of either the planned end year or the actual end year (Timely is based purely on planned year). For LR all the guidance I've seen suggests that it is only the planned end year that counts i.e. similar to ER Timely method.
  So, again with my example of LR – Foundation Learning provision, if the learner achieves in 11/12 but was planned for 10/11, how is this counted?
  Martin seems to be suggesting that LR ignores planned end year altogether but I've not seen that written anywhere.

• martinwest said 5 months, 4 weeks ago:

  Hi Alan,

  The latest guidance I can find for LR relates to 2009/10 (issue july2010 http://www.thedataservice.org.uk/NR/rdonlyres/52007199-22F8-4255-9C9B-1705EB6F4E8A/0/0910LearnerResponsiveSuccessRatesMethodology.pdf) and this states:
  In relation to the given year, learning aims that are expected to have been completed that are not yet completed will be considered as a non achieved aim.
  Although some learning aims are excluded from success rate calculations LR – Foundation Learning provision is not included in the list but as this is similar to E2E I would expect that revision for 2010/11 would include it in the exceptions.

  If anyone knows of any updated guidance on this please add to this thread

  Martin

• Alan Taws said 5 months, 4 weeks ago:

  Thanks Martin – I did take a look at the 2009/10 methodology and I'm 100% sure that FL will not be excluded from success rates. E2E was excluded because it wasn't aimed at delivering qualifications whereas FL is.
  The 2009/10 LR methodolgy is totally innapropriate for providers who recruit to FL throughout the year – not just in September as with colleges. We frequently have learners achieving well after their planned end date, they often take breaks in their programme due to a variety of problems and therefore they often don't achieve until the year after planned. If we follow 2009/10 methodology then all those achievements would be counted as fails.
  Will stick my neck out and say there's not a chance that the YPLA will use 2009/10 methodology for FL.

• Alan Taws said 5 months, 4 weeks ago:

  OK – now they've published the 2010/11 QSR methodology… had a quick look and it does seem that they won't count late achievers as success – and unlike ER timely success there doesn't appear to be a 90 day period of leniency.

  So can I take that all our FL learners who were still beavering away on quals on 1st August 2011 even though they were supposed to have finished by 31st July 2011 are all fails? Should I tell them to stop work now and leave the building?