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• Population of A71 – Full or Co Funding (14 posts)

• Alan Taws said 10 months, 1 week ago:

  Just wondering if anyone has a straightforward lookup table to convert the values in A14 into Full or Co funding values i.e. LearnDelFamType FFI values (A71 if you prefer).
  I assume that's how I should be populating FFI but I can't find any useful guidance on it.

• Alan Taws said 10 months, 1 week ago:

  Here's my go – apologies for the formatting (or lack of it)

  A14ReasonFunding convert to FullOrCoFunded

  01 : 16 – 18 year old learner or 16 – 18 funding entitlement Full
  04 : In receipt of an income-based state benefit Full
  08 : Unwaged dependent of any people in codes 04, 14, 15, 21 or 23 Full
  09 : Undertaking programmes where the main learning aim is Skills for Life, excluding ESOL Full
  10 : Fees waived for another reason consistent with the local provider policy Not fully funded
  11 : Fees refunded Not fully funded
  13 : Other funding Not fully funded
  14 : Asylum seeker eligible for learner responsive funding Full
  15 : In receipt of jobseekers allowance Full
  19 : Fee is zero Not fully funded
  20 : LSC-funded project where the LSC has agreed that the learner is eligible for full funding Full
  21 : In receipt of working tax credit Full
  22 : Level 2 entitlement – only available for LR funded and non-Apprenticeship ER provision Full
  23 : In receipt of pensions guarantee credit Full
  24 : 19-25 level 3 entitlement – only available for LR funded provision and non-Apprenticeship provision Full
  25 : Category D offender learner Full
  26 : Offender serving their sentence in the community Full
  27 : TUC learning aims Full
  28 : Fully funded employer responsive provision – not specified above Full
  29 : OLASS funded offenders in custody Full
  31 : Whole fee paid in a previous year Not fully funded
  32 : Co-funded employer responsive provision Not fully funded
  90 : Fee adjustments – bad debt Not fully funded
  99 : Tuition fee collected in full Not fully funded

  All just guess work though…

• Jim Lyle said 10 months, 1 week ago:

  Hi Alan

  If I understand what you want correctly, this data is available in a table in the LIS export mdb file (ILR_A14_Non_Payment_Reasons).

• Alan Taws said 10 months, 1 week ago:

  No, sorry Jim but when I look in that table it just lists the a14 codes and their descriptions – what I need is something to tell me which of these codes mean that an aim is full or cofunded.

• Jim Lyle said 10 months, 1 week ago:

  Yes, sorry Alan, I've just realised that and I have been looking for the mapping you actually want, but cannot find it either.

• Alan Taws said 10 months, 1 week ago:

  Bit of a wild goose chase – if we can't get the conversion values then perhaps someone can at least confirm the method – is A71 just a straightforward conversion of A14?
  Make me think I never really understood A14 in the first place…

• Alan Taws said 10 months, 1 week ago:

  Just to make it clearer…
  A71 – A14
  Full – 01 : 16 – 18 year old learner or 16 – 18 funding entitlement
  Full – 04 : In receipt of an income-based state benefit
  Full – 08 : Unwaged dependent of any people in codes 04, 14, 15, 21 or 23
  Full – 09 : Undertaking programmes where the main learning aim is Skills for Life, excluding ESOL
  Co – 10 : Fees waived for another reason consistent with the local provider policy
  Co – 11 : Fees refunded
  Co – 13 : Other funding
  Full – 14 : Asylum seeker eligible for learner responsive funding
  Full – 15 : In receipt of jobseekers allowance
  Co – 19 : Fee is zero
  Full – 20 : LSC-funded project where the LSC has agreed that the learner is eligible for full funding
  Full – 21 : In receipt of working tax credit
  Full – 22 : Level 2 entitlement – only available for LR funded and non-Apprenticeship ER provision
  Full – 23 : In receipt of pensions guarantee credit
  Full – 24 : 19-25 level 3 entitlement – only available for LR funded provision and non-Apprenticeship provision
  Full – 25 : Category D offender learner
  Full – 26 : Offender serving their sentence in the community
  Full – 27 : TUC learning aims
  Full – 28 : Fully funded employer responsive provision – not specified above
  Full – 29 : OLASS funded offenders in custody
  Co – 31 : Whole fee paid in a previous year
  Co – 32 : Co-funded employer responsive provision
  Co – 99 : Tuition fee collected in full

  Just guessing… and thinking that the conversion may depend on values in other fields e.g. A69

• Caspar Verney said 10 months, 1 week ago:

  I have only had to worry about simple ER and hence this limits the choices for A14 that I have had to consider in the past.

  HOWEVER I have just ditched A14 rather than trying to convert it and just tried to populate A71 as a fresh field:

  If the learner is 16-18 use 01 in A71
  If the learner is 19 or more and A69 is not set (ie is 99) then use 02 in A71
  If the aim is not funded (can't think why) use 99 in A71

  I use A27 and L11 to calculate the age, with A27 against the Program Aim being the earliest Start Date (and a fun algorithm to get the age right and allow for leap years).

  Now I do have some information on the relationship with A69 (having corresponded with the Data Service on this):

  If A69 is 01 then student must be 19-24 and then A71 is 01
  If A69 is 02 then student must be 19-24 and then A71 is 01
  If A69 is 03 then student must be 25+ and then A71 is 02
  A69 cannot be set to any of the above values if the age does not correspond correctly
  If A69 is 99 then use the rules for A71 that I stated at the start

  Hope this helps some.

  I note that there have been requests from Providers to retain A14 but that the Data Service et al do not require it and so have declined to retain it (helpful!). It could be stored in one of the Provider Specified Learning Data fields (A48 or A72) and then at least you can report on it and check it and also see it on the PFR.

  Thanks,
  Caspar

• peterw said 10 months, 1 week ago:

  For ER-App, continuing to use POL, I cant find anything on the migration of data from A14 in 2010-11 to A71 in 2011-12.
  However, I presume that if the learner was in 16-18 group when they started, then A71 will be populated with 1, otherwise, populated with 2. ( so why is it needed anyway ?)

• Anita said 10 months, 1 week ago:

  All

  Annex 1 of the migration specification (Appendix B to the ILR Specification for 2011/12) has a mapping from A14 to the Learning Delivery FAM Type (FFI) and FAM Codes. This is available on our website at http://www.theia.org.uk/ilr/ilrdocuments/201112_ilrdetail.htm.

  I hope that helps.

  Regards

  Anita

• Caspar Verney said 10 months ago:

  Out of interest I have just asked the Data Service about an anomalous possibility:

  Suppose an ER Learner has L11 (DoB) set to 15/9/1992 and starts an Apprenticeship Main Aim on 10/8/2011 (A27 will be set to this against the Main Aim and against the Programme Aim, ZPROG001). At starting the learner is aged 18 and hence A69 must be set to 99 and A71 to 01.

  Now suppose this learner then starts some Sub-Aim, such as Functional Skills or Key Skills Maths on 20/10/11. A27 against the Programme Aim would remain unchanged. Now this aim should be fully funded at the 16-18 rate as it is
  part of the Apprenticeship started on 10/8/11, BUT the learner has turned 19 before starting this Sub-Aim. What would be the correct entries in A69 under these circumstances (since A69 is only recorded against the Programme Aim in 2011-12)? And what would be the correct entry in A71 against this new Sub-Aim, please?

  The answer I have received is:

  The learner would still be counted as a 16-18 learner. This is because they started learning when they were 18. So this means that field A71 would be coded as 01 for the 16-18 age group.

  Thus A71 is NOT necessarily populated by the student's age when they start the Learning Aim (even when A69 is set to 99).

  I hope this helps.

  Many thanks,
  Caspar

• peterw said 10 months ago:

  Cant see why this can't be at Programme Aim level, if needed at all.

• martinwest said 10 months ago:

  Hi all,
  A71: Indicates whether the learning aim is fully funded or co-funded by the Skills Funding Agency or the YPLA
  Simple as that
  Martin

• Alan Taws said 10 months ago:

  Apprenticeship aims are typically either full or co-funded depending on their age at start of the programme – not the age at start of the component aim – and if the learner has a break in learning and returns after turning 19 then they are still entitled to full funding – everything would still be coded as if the learner was still 16-18 but with the addition of an entry in A69