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• Foundation Learning funding (15 posts)

• Alan Taws said 1 month, 3 weeks ago:

  I have a few questions regarding the Entitlement Funding (full time Foundation Learning learners over 336 hours)… the learners we will be enrolling onto Foundation Learning will be the same types of learners who would previously have been enrolled upon E2E. For us at least these learners are not immediately ready to be enrolled on a full programme of qualifications and will require a lot of support to prepare them for qualifications – their programme of learning will have gradual enrolments onto qualifications.

  This would seem to place us at a disadvantage, where we have learners who have the greatest need for support it would appear it is unlikely that we can claim sufficient GLH in year in order to trigger the Entitlement Funding.

  I am therefore wondering what the exact mechanism is for triggering the Entitlement Funding – is it a case of simply completing A69 to indicate that the learner has entitlement or do we have to register sufficient qualifications in year in order to reach the 336 GLH before entitlement is claimed?

  I also consider that if a learner has gradual enrolments that span academic years then whilst their total GLH may exceed 336glh this may be spread across 2 years and therefore not trigger the 336glh in any one year?

• Alan Taws said 1 month, 3 weeks ago:

  Quick correction – I had heard that full 16-18 entitlement could be triggered via A69 but of course A69 is for Employer Responsive returns only… I assume Foundation Learning should be Learner Responsive (guidance is not clear on this)

• Anita said 1 month, 3 weeks ago:

  Hi Alan

  Entitlement will be triggered at the point where the learner is registered on qualifications which have a total planned glh of 336 or more.

  If this is not the case then the learner is not full time and is therefore not eligible for entitlement funding.

  When the point for entitlement is reached you should record this in field L28.

  Regards

  Anita

• Lisa said 1 month ago:

  Does anybody know if L28 is the way we "claim" entitlement? I was under the impression that there was an aim for that purpose?

• Alan Taws said 1 month ago:

  There isn't any aim – you just register enough qualifications to total 336 guided learning hours or more and at that point entitlement should be triggered. According to Anita it's at that point that you would enter a code 12 into field L28 (assuming the learner meets the other eligibility criteria for 16-18 entitlement).
  I'm guessing that entitlement will not be recognised unless you have have registered enough qualifications to generate GLH of 336 or more and you have put the code 12 in L28.

• John McCabe said 1 month ago:

  The original guidance about three years ago was that there should be a CMISC001 aim carrying 114 hour so that the total hours came out at 450. The trouble with that is that theCMISC001 aim is not technically valid so it needs to be funding stream 99, and fee remission either 19 or 10 to get it through an ILR so a lot of people don't bother (AFAIK).

  You need L28 because the ILR program does not tally up hours and give you the money, you have to claim it, hence all the DSAT reports about this.

• John McCabe said 1 month ago:

  You don't need 336 hours, but it's naughty if you haven't got them. Putting in 12 in L28 will do the job.

• Lisa said 1 month ago:

  Thankyou guys, that clears it up!

• Tony Braithwaite said 1 month ago:

  I didn't think that just putting 12 in L28 did do the job. We had to go through quite a lot of checking that the A32 GLH against all the funded aims came to 336 ( and it's not the SLN GLH that counts) otherwise the LIS was not allocating the entitlement funding despite L28 being set.

• Jackie Adams said 1 month ago:

  Hi

  As far as I am aware you can record as many glh you feel the learner needs to complete that particular qualification. However, you will only be funded for the glh that are stipulated on the LAD. The glh used for determining the additional 114 entitlement glh is the one you record not what you will get funding for. I read this in the YPLA worked examples.

  Jackie

• Alan Taws said 2 weeks, 2 days ago:

  Tony and Jackie I can confim you are right – at least according to last years LIS funding calculation specification. You need in excess of 336 planned glh in year per learner (recorded in ILR field A32) and a code 12 in field L28. LIS does sum the planned glh and will not allocate the 114 glh entitlement funding without a total of 336+ planned GLH.
  Learners must stay on an aim long enough (1, 14 or 42 days depending on intended leave date) and transferred aims don't count.

  Still waiting for the publication of the LIS 18.01 funding calculation specification in order to confimr this for 2010/11

• Julia Hackett said 1 week, 6 days ago:

  Hi all,

  Can ANYONE please explain to me the (2 week/6 week) start for funding???

  I understand that as my organisation delivers a Foundation Learning programme less that 24 weeks the start for funding is 2 weeks, however do we input ILR's immediately into our MI systems, or do we wait for 2 weeks to input? If a learner leaves before the end of 2 weeks are they counted as a start and leavers or would they not be reported as "real" starts etc etc

  Very, very confused!!!!

• Tony Braithwaite said 1 week, 6 days ago:

  Hi Julia,

  My understanding of the guidance is that:

  1. If a learner attends at least one lesson or learning engagement then they must be recorded in the ILR.
  2. For a course of less than 24 weeks duration, the learner's actual end date (A31) must be 2 or more calendar weeks after the planned start date (A27) in order for funding to be allocated and for them to count as a start for success purposes.
  3. If the learner attends at least one lesson and then withdraws in less than 2 weeks after the start date then they should remain in the ILR but no funding will be generated and they will not be included as a start in the success stats.
  4. If they never attend any lesson you can remove them from the ILR.

  So, I would put them straigh into the ILR and only remove (or exclude) those who, by the time you get to submit LR01 in December, never actually turned up.

• Julia Hackett said 1 week, 6 days ago:

  Hi Tony,

  Thank you, that makes perfect sense!

  Regards

  Julia

• martinwest said 1 week, 6 days ago:

  Thanks to Tony’s understanding which is concise and in general applicable to all programmes but I think specific to FE learner response.

  For Employer response and other programmes (FTL, RTW, TTG or other provision) some aims may have duration of less than two weeks, and in line with Tony’s guidance note 3 if they attend (completing one learning activity) then they should remain on the ILR. To draw down funding and or count towards success rates if unfunded, learners must complete the qualifying funding start period as set out in the funding guidance for the individual programme.

  Regards
  Martin